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	<title>Comments on: Conspiracy theories</title>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
		<link>http://www.asinen.org/2009/11/conspiracy-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m flogging an already dead horse, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; should probably have been the entirety of my post, since the guy there has actually taken a bit of time to go through things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m flogging an already dead horse, but <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg" rel="nofollow">this</a> should probably have been the entirety of my post, since the guy there has actually taken a bit of time to go through things.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
		<link>http://www.asinen.org/2009/11/conspiracy-theories/comment-page-/#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think everyone IS entitled to doubt scientists&#039; conclusions (sorry, I&#039;m picking up on that one point you made, probably a little unfairly).

The problem I have is the idea that scientists are deliberately lying and - as you point out - the uncritical acceptance of any suggestion that climate change either isn&#039;t happening or is nothing to do with us (in fact the very things that the conspiracy theorists accuse the scientists of doing).

Someone can say they don&#039;t think the present climate variations are man-made. That&#039;s fine. They can point to past climate events or the solar activity ideas and we can discuss those (the solar activity theory was interesting, it looked good for a while and raising it was scientifically valid, but the flaws in it have now been established).

Yep - most areas of science are full of uncertainties (otherwise we wouldn&#039;t need to do science any more). Newton was wrong - though his theories are a good enough approximation that we can use them every day - and one or other or both of relativity and quantum mechanics look like they will probably have to be adjusted to make them consistent, but we don&#039;t have legions of people accusing Einstein of being a fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everyone IS entitled to doubt scientists&#8217; conclusions (sorry, I&#8217;m picking up on that one point you made, probably a little unfairly).</p>
<p>The problem I have is the idea that scientists are deliberately lying and &#8211; as you point out &#8211; the uncritical acceptance of any suggestion that climate change either isn&#8217;t happening or is nothing to do with us (in fact the very things that the conspiracy theorists accuse the scientists of doing).</p>
<p>Someone can say they don&#8217;t think the present climate variations are man-made. That&#8217;s fine. They can point to past climate events or the solar activity ideas and we can discuss those (the solar activity theory was interesting, it looked good for a while and raising it was scientifically valid, but the flaws in it have now been established).</p>
<p>Yep &#8211; most areas of science are full of uncertainties (otherwise we wouldn&#8217;t need to do science any more). Newton was wrong &#8211; though his theories are a good enough approximation that we can use them every day &#8211; and one or other or both of relativity and quantum mechanics look like they will probably have to be adjusted to make them consistent, but we don&#8217;t have legions of people accusing Einstein of being a fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: tobami</title>
		<link>http://www.asinen.org/2009/11/conspiracy-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>tobami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this well-put post.

The root of the problem lies with people (specially in the USA, but also elsewhere) not knowing what the scientific method is all about. They think that because a particular branch of science has uncertainties, or described laws that were later rebutted (physics and ether, for example), one is entitled to &quot;doubt&quot; their conclusions. They will believe what any charlatan has to say against climate science no matter if it is all lies, it only needs to sound &quot;reasonable&quot;. The &quot;sceptics&quot; industry often succeeds in making people believe there is debate among scientists. BIg news: debate is common and necessary in science, but there is also a wide consensus.

Climate science has big uncertainties, but it is the best understanding we humans have about that matter. On another level (because you can prove things more often than in climate science), it is the same with physics or any other science. We may be deluding ourselves about relativity and quantum physics and the world is really resting on the back of a giant turtle. But is IS the best understanding we as a species have right now about the problem. So you better pay heed to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this well-put post.</p>
<p>The root of the problem lies with people (specially in the USA, but also elsewhere) not knowing what the scientific method is all about. They think that because a particular branch of science has uncertainties, or described laws that were later rebutted (physics and ether, for example), one is entitled to &#8220;doubt&#8221; their conclusions. They will believe what any charlatan has to say against climate science no matter if it is all lies, it only needs to sound &#8220;reasonable&#8221;. The &#8220;sceptics&#8221; industry often succeeds in making people believe there is debate among scientists. BIg news: debate is common and necessary in science, but there is also a wide consensus.</p>
<p>Climate science has big uncertainties, but it is the best understanding we humans have about that matter. On another level (because you can prove things more often than in climate science), it is the same with physics or any other science. We may be deluding ourselves about relativity and quantum physics and the world is really resting on the back of a giant turtle. But is IS the best understanding we as a species have right now about the problem. So you better pay heed to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
		<link>http://www.asinen.org/2009/11/conspiracy-theories/comment-page-/#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please see the first sentence of my post. If I decide to start writing much of this kind of stuff (very unlikely) then I will set up separate feeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please see the first sentence of my post. If I decide to start writing much of this kind of stuff (very unlikely) then I will set up separate feeds.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe User</title>
		<link>http://www.asinen.org/2009/11/conspiracy-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel this is really inappropriate for Planet KDE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel this is really inappropriate for Planet KDE.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Stephenson</title>
		<link>http://www.asinen.org/2009/11/conspiracy-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Stephenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you posted this too.  Generally, I like us to keep Planet on KDE topic, but Free Software is one small way we can work towards reducing environmental damage, since it requires less economic activity (and therefore CO2) to produce and acquire than the proprietary alternatives, and is intrinsically recycleable.  To me, as a green geek, working on FLOSS is something I can do to help save the comfortable, diverse ecosystem we enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you posted this too.  Generally, I like us to keep Planet on KDE topic, but Free Software is one small way we can work towards reducing environmental damage, since it requires less economic activity (and therefore CO2) to produce and acquire than the proprietary alternatives, and is intrinsically recycleable.  To me, as a green geek, working on FLOSS is something I can do to help save the comfortable, diverse ecosystem we enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
		<link>http://www.asinen.org/2009/11/conspiracy-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-147</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get a lot of spam here for Piano websites (no, really...) so have to approve everything manually. Therefore it might be a while before I approve any comments...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get a lot of spam here for Piano websites (no, really&#8230;) so have to approve everything manually. Therefore it might be a while before I approve any comments&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
		<link>http://www.asinen.org/2009/11/conspiracy-theories/comment-page-/#comment-146</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmm, Fox News :-)

Not familiar with the other source, but in the few minutes before I got bored I didn&#039;t hear a lot of actual scientific evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmm, Fox News <img src='http://www.asinen.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Not familiar with the other source, but in the few minutes before I got bored I didn&#8217;t hear a lot of actual scientific evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: mutlu</title>
		<link>http://www.asinen.org/2009/11/conspiracy-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>mutlu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for posting this, Stuart. I agree with you and hope that the instanity we are witnessing right now will lose its attractiveness rather sooner than later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting this, Stuart. I agree with you and hope that the instanity we are witnessing right now will lose its attractiveness rather sooner than later.</p>
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		<title>By: Climbate</title>
		<link>http://www.asinen.org/2009/11/conspiracy-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>Climbate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.blip.tv/file/2904375
http://www.archive.org/details/WhatReallyHappenedNovember242009-Climategate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.blip.tv/file/2904375" rel="nofollow">http://www.blip.tv/file/2904375</a><br />
<a href="http://www.archive.org/details/WhatReallyHappenedNovember242009-Climategate" rel="nofollow">http://www.archive.org/details/WhatReallyHappenedNovember242009-Climategate</a></p>
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