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		<title>Social networks, wikis, collaboration tools&#8230; Can KDE make them suck less?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you&#8217;re reading this via Google Buzz then this post was brought to you by WordPress, Identi.ca, Twitter and Google. That&#8217;s either impressive or horrifying&#8230; Social Media tools suck On the one hand, it&#8217;s kind of nice that interoperation is possible at all, but on the other it&#8217;s a silly chain with many unnecessary points [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re reading this via Google Buzz then this post was brought to you by WordPress, Identi.ca, Twitter and Google. That&#8217;s either impressive or horrifying&#8230;</p>
<div id="attachment_668" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://thecauseisthehabit.com/"><img src="http://www.asinen.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/socialmedia.jpeg" alt="Social Media confusion, by Damien Basile under CC-by-sa" title="Social Media confusion, by Damien Basile under CC-by-sa - link is to his site" width="400" height="309" class="size-full wp-image-668" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Social Media confusion, by Damien Basile under CC-by-sa</p></div>
<h3>Social Media tools suck</h3>
<p>On the one hand, it&#8217;s kind of nice that interoperation is possible at all, but on the other it&#8217;s a silly chain with many unnecessary points of fail. I can use WordPress to blog and that plays quite nicely with Identi.ca &#8211; I can syndicate the posts to Identi.ca and likewise list my dents here &#8211; things talk to each other. I can also syndicate from Identi.ca to Twitter, but Identi.ca (and therefore I) know nothing about replies at Twitter. From Twitter posts get passed to Google Buzz, but I know nothing about what happens there unless I happen to log in to the GMail web interface. Chances are that there are some people on Twitter wondering why I&#8217;ve @replied to them about something they never posted &#8211; markey on Twitter != markey on Identi.ca for example.</p>
<p>Identi.ca is made usable and useful by the KDE microblog widget &#8211; I simply wouldn&#8217;t use it if I had to actually visit the website and log in &#8211; that takes longer than the dent. Web interfaces suck. Similarly, I can interact with GMail via KMail (or I could, actually I prefer to have Google forward my mail to another server, a throwback from the days when GMail either didn&#8217;t support IMAP or it was a bit funky). GMail&#8217;s web interface, while better than other webmails, sucks. Twitter and Buzz, without convenient desktop interfaces <em>that I use already</em>, simply do not get visited by me on even a weekly basis.</p>
<p>In terms of Social Networking, I have Facebook (which I got bullied in to years ago and kinda use, infrequently), LinkedIn (dunno if I&#8217;m going to do much with that, another sucky web interface) and Flickr (only for KDE promo). Facebook and Flickr are made more bearable by the excellent digiKam image export tools <img src='http://www.asinen.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<h3>Infrastructure for KDE Promo sucks</h3>
<p>Similarly, the KDE community wiki sucks &#8211; as a collaboration tool (it&#8217;s fine for storing info and userbase and techbase are both awesome). I need to discuss things by mail, then open a browser, log in (which requires a round trip to my openid provider if I want the same account on all the wikis). Then I need to remember how to use wiki markup. That&#8217;s my excuse for the various things I should have done on the promo wiki and haven&#8217;t done. There are things we can do better with the wiki, but the basic problems remain.</p>
<p>Collaborative writing tools suck too. Email is rubbish for actually keeping track of stuff. Google docs is amazing in its way, but it&#8217;s another web interface, doesn&#8217;t work in Konqueror (or does it nowadays?), is not free and is slow compared to a desktop app. Kobby (and Gobby) also don&#8217;t meet our needs &#8211; yet&#8230;</p>
<p>Really, I want a single &#8220;KDE Promo&#8221; app that deals with all the above. I&#8217;d like a pony too, please <img src='http://www.asinen.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  You can call it <em>Kommunicator</em> or <em>Kollaborator</em> if you like. The app, not the pony. He&#8217;s called <a href="http://www.asinen.org/2009/11/promo-sprint-2-stu-3/">Shergar</a>.</p>
<h3>There is hope&#8230;</h3>
<p>Sorry if all that sounds a bit gloomy. There are some good points too <img src='http://www.asinen.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  The KDE microblog widget rocks. Kopete sorts out my soup of instant messaging accounts, making MSN, Yahoo, Google Talk, and Facebook Chat not suck to the extent that I don&#8217;t need to care or even know what network I&#8217;m chatting to someone on. Kontact makes my email, calendars and contacts portable thanks to the magic of Kolab PIM data structures.</p>
<p>Ok, the point I&#8217;m trying to get to is that all these amazing new social tools we have are limited because they don&#8217;t interoperate by open standards, only allow some limited syndication. I want to operate my Identi.ca and Twitter and Buzz accounts as one. I don&#8217;t want to have to point Google Buzz at Twitter because they didn&#8217;t implement the Identi.ca API yet. I want my Facebook stuff and my Linked in stuff in a single view in Kontact or a Plasma Widget, not in some web browser or web browser widget.</p>
<p>Frank Karlitschek covered some similar ground a bit more coherently in his <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IdMWxtMMB8">Camp KDE talk</a> &#8211; be sure to check out the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/kdepromo#g/u">other talks</a> too. Together with grappling with the Promo pages on the community wiki and discovering Google Buzz, that&#8217;s what has really prompted this post. The new services we&#8217;re seeing are exciting and can be useful and Google are helping to remove some of the suck from browser-based apps, but you have to wonder why they fix the browser rather than just using the desktop. <a href="http://owncloud.org/">ownCloud</a> may have some of the answers, <a href="http://dot.kde.org/2010/01/24/kde-gears-free-cloud">complemented by KDE software</a> (reimplementable by anyone else by using open standards too). Perhaps we can even succeed in, as it were, &#8220;freeing the web from the browser&#8221;. Only time will tell.</p>
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		<title>Odds and ends</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s been one of those busy weeks that come up from time to time, both on the work front and a few personal things to deal with (both have been hard work, but good as possible results all round). The net result is that I&#8217;ve felt like I haven&#8217;t really had the time for KDE [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been one of those busy weeks that come up from time to time, both on the work front and a few personal things to deal with (both have been hard work, but good as possible results all round). The net result is that I&#8217;ve felt like I haven&#8217;t really had the time for KDE stuff, though I&#8217;ve found a few minutes here and then to review the odd Dot article. Oh, and I did get around to doing a new WordPress install (having slightly borked the first one trying to shoehorn it in to the old site structure and design, to the extend that a routine update I tried on another server broke a lot of stuff). I clearly don&#8217;t have time to maintain anything more than a blog from the old site structure I inherited, so I&#8217;ve abandoned that idea. Hopefully the redirects will work ok and I haven&#8217;t just spammed the Planet (I tried not to and nothing bad seems to have happened so far &#8211; apologies if I have though).</p>
<p>Anyway, plenty of other people have been very busy on the promotion front. <a href="http://neomantra.org">Justin</a> and co have been continuing to do great work with <a href="http://camp.kde.org/">Camp KDE</a> and the numbers of attendees there are rising nicely. Jos and others have continued to work on things in the <a href="http://community.kde.org/">community wiki</a> which is starting to get to be a really useful resource.</p>
<p>Excitingly, there seem to be several new people appearing on the <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-promo">kde-promo</a> mailing list (although it&#8217;s possible that they&#8217;re old hands and they just haven&#8217;t been around for a while). Long-time KDE blogger <a href="http://liquidat.wordpress.com/">Liquidat</a> (aka Roland Walters) has an article in progress for the Dot, which is pretty awesome.</p>
<p>Most encouraging of all was the response to the <a href="http://krita.org/index.php&#038;option=com_content&#038;id=20">Krita appeal for funding</a>. I didn&#8217;t have any doubt they&#8217;d reach their target, given the amount to the raised and the quality of the proposal, but I was surprised at the speed with which the target has been reached. Perhaps an approach to consider for other application teams in the future, though it&#8217;s probably something that needs to be not done too often.</p>
<p>After a busy Monday, I&#8217;ll hopefully be a bit more active again. Getting a poll together to choose a text for third party developers to show their application&#8217;s affiliation with KDE is top of my hit list and I also have a mostly done Dot article that should hopefully be appearing towards the end of the week.</p>
<p>Busy times <img src='http://www.asinen.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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